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Shaolei Ren's avatar

Thank you again for your interest in our research.

I'll add the following to conclude my responses.

Your post contains multiple factual mistakes. Most notably, you repeatedly suggest indirectly or use directly the term "overstate" qualitatively without providing any quantitative assessment, except for your fundamental mistake in claiming a "30-fold overestimation." This factual error arises from your misinterpretation of "10% of permitted emissions," as reflected in your statement:

“If we take the preprint assumptions to mean 10% annual capacity (this assumption has been clarified in the comments on this post), equivalent to roughly 36 days of continuous use, then this starkly contrasts with industry norms and represents a 30-fold overestimation.” (Note: The sentence "(this assumption has been clarified in the comments on this post)" seems to have been added recently after you realized your factual mistake, but you still keep your misleading and irresponsible conclusion "30-fold overestimation".)

Whether this is due to your lack of knowledge in this field or other motivation and however you spin your claims in your later replies, your interpretation is factually wrong. As explicitly stated in our paper, we did not assume 10% of a year’s time, and the numbers we used are transparently disclosed.

Your post containing factually incorrect claims in its current form misrepresents our research, distorts the understanding of the field, and ultimately affects your own credibility.

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I appreciate your continued interest in our research. However, I encourage you to engage with the findings accurately rather than spreading misinformation. Constructive discussions are always welcome, but misrepresenting technical details only demonstrates your lack of knowledge in this space and does not contribute to an informed dialogue.

1. “The actual emissions are 10% of the permitted level” refers to 10% of the emission limits set in backup generator permits—not 10% of a year’s time. While the actual emissions vary case by case, this figure serves as a reference and aligns with publicly disclosed government reports from Washington and Virginia.

2. The Berkeley Lab report was published after our study. Nonetheless, even our highest 2030 projection (519 TWh) remains within the 2028 range projected by Berkeley Lab. Thus, our estimates are on the conservative side. If you're interested in our updated estimates (to be included in our forthcoming update) based on Berkeley Lab's projection, please read: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaolei-ren-68557415_estimates-of-the-public-health-cost-caused-activity-7298237825433448449--pVD

3. We consider the training energy consumption, not inference. Even when incorporating TDP and accounting for PUE, our estimates remain conservative since they do not include server energy overheads, which typically add 20–50% to GPU energy consumption. For a more detailed discussion on training energy estimates, I recommend you review the literature (e.g., arXiv:2104.10350 and arXiv:2211.02001).

4. I also encourage you to read our updated paper on AI’s water footprint (arXiv:2304.03271), which has been accepted for publication in Communications of the ACM.

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